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Caterham R500 vs. Ducati Hypermotard - Goodspeed - 06-02-2008
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfy1VO4ePlA
- CaptainHenreh - 06-02-2008
Not really the bike I would have picked but...cool vid.
- Apoc - 06-02-2008
Twice the traction (or more when you look at contact patch) will always win if power/weight are comparable. How many $4000 Caterhams are there out there?
- Evan - 06-02-2008
Apoc Wrote:How many $4000 Caterhams are there out there?about as many $4k ducatis
- BLINGMW - 06-02-2008
yeah, that was a pretty bad ass video, especially the jump
hock: Apoc Wrote:Twice the traction (or more when you look at contact patch) will always win if power/weight are comparable.
He said the only place he made it up was on braking, it didn't look like he had twice the traction/grip, to me, in the corners. Assuming a similar tire compound (which, I'm sure, they were different), wouldn't their cornering speeds be similar? I'm also guessing the bike could have been braking later and harder, but maybe the rider just didn't want to die? :lol: I think we can all agree it's a WHOLE lot easier to drive a car at 9/10ths on a country road type situation than it to drive a bike at 9/10ths. And locking up a front tire on a car is not QUITE as big of a deal as on a bike.
I honestly don't know how to compare bikes and cars in such a discussion, but I do know more tire doesn't mean more traction when comparing car to car. So yeah, a bike has a smaller contact patch, but there's more weight on that patch, so grip could be the same. :?: Bikes are still a mystery to me.
- Ginger - 06-02-2008
Cars usually have a lot more corner grip than bikes. If I were to do a car/bike, I probably wouldn't use a liter bike.. 'specially not a fakemeout dressup bike like the hypermotard. I'd use a the lightest, fastest 600 I could get my hands on, maybe even a 2 stroke 250. You figure that most bikes are going to out accelerate a car, the next step is to get a bike that carries higher corner speeds, and is less of a hassle to wrestle down under braking.
I don't mean to sound nitpicky, I haven't even gotten to watch the vid yet (!), but a hypermotard is a toy among toys. It doesn't do much of anything well, and it's got no real design intentions... and then you put it up against a street legal purpose built, that makes a lot of creature comfort sacrifices in the name of driving purity and going fast, and you're starting to compare apples to oranges.
I'd genuinely like to see what a no holds barred 600, like a new R6, would do in the "tard's" shoes.
- Apoc - 06-02-2008
BLINGMW Wrote:yeah, that was a pretty bad ass video, especially the jump
Apoc Wrote:Twice the traction (or more when you look at contact patch) will always win if power/weight are comparable.
He said the only place he made it up was on braking, it didn't look like he had twice the traction/grip, to me, in the corners. Assuming a similar tire compound (which, I'm sure, they were different), wouldn't their cornering speeds be similar? I'm also guessing the bike could have been braking later and harder, but maybe the rider just didn't want to die?
Braking is a function of grip, both tires on the ground and the pads on the rotor. The car has more of everything. There was a TopGear test of an Ariel Atom against some bike and the Atom won because of the braking but it still had more traction in the corners too.
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Evan Wrote:Apoc Wrote:How many $4000 Caterhams are there out there?about as many $4k ducatis
Have you looked at prices on used Monsters?
- Evan - 06-02-2008
Apoc Wrote::lol: now we are talking used?Evan Wrote:Apoc Wrote:How many $4000 Caterhams are there out there?about as many $4k ducatis
Have you looked at prices on used Monsters?
but if thats how you want to play, a Locost could be built for $4k and still kick a monster's ass!
Apoc Wrote:Braking is a function of grip, both tires on the ground and the pads on the rotor.and the wheelbase (ie lever arm)
a bike lifts the rear wheel before it locks up the front tire.
- Apoc - 06-02-2008
Evan Wrote:Apoc Wrote::lol: now we are talking used?Evan Wrote:Apoc Wrote:How many $4000 Caterhams are there out there?about as many $4k ducatis
Have you looked at prices on used Monsters?
Were we ever talking new?
Built... that requires effort. I'm talking out of the box fun with a low barrier to entry. Yes, yes... we all know Miatas are cheap and fun but it won't beat a bike.
- CaptainHenreh - 06-02-2008
C'mon guys. I think we can all agree that dollar for dollar, a bike will beat a car up to insanity. No need to argue new v. used. A Caterham RS500 costs 73 grand...wtf kind of hyperbike can 73 grand buy?
- Sijray21 - 06-02-2008
Evan Wrote:a bike lifts the rear wheel before it locks up the front tire.
i've proved this wrong in traffic on 495 - quite the scary experience
riding properly with track conditions you are correct
- Apoc - 06-02-2008
Evan Wrote:it locks up the front tire.
Not with my fat ass on it, it doesn't!
- Ginger - 06-02-2008
CaptainHenreh Wrote:wtf kind of hyperbike can 73 grand buy?
Almost with irony, another Ducati: Desmosedici RR
- Mike - 06-02-2008
Apoc Wrote:Evan Wrote:it locks up the front tire.
Not with my fat ass on it, it doesn't!
My fat bike on ancient tires also locks the front before lifting the rear as well.
- Evan - 06-02-2008
Sijray21 Wrote:of course, overloading the brake all at once and you lock up the tire.Evan Wrote:a bike lifts the rear wheel before it locks up the front tire.
i've proved this wrong in traffic on 495 - quite the scary experience
riding properly with track conditions you are correct
- Apoc - 06-02-2008
Kinda related but not really...
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They annouce his time at the end so I guess that's the planned course.
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- TheDudeAbides - 06-02-2008
^^those are some serious skillz
- Kaan - 06-03-2008
That hyper motard wasnt built to be a corner carver. at least not the way he was carving the corners with it. I'm with andrew... give me a show down with a 600, and we'll see. $73k will give you a lot of bike. a $4k locost wont give you 250whp like this car had. so dont bring that $4k locost to a fight with a $4k bike.
- BLINGMW - 06-03-2008
HEY GUYS. News flash. :bootyshake: I think they were trying to make a cool video. And maybe show that the car could even have a chance of keeping up with a decent bike. Mission accomplished.
- Ginger - 06-03-2008
See, I dono, I never saw the sense in comparing stratospherically expensive cars to, comparatively, dirt cheap motorcycles. Ten grand these days will buy you "pretty much" the fastest production sportbike in the world... you could buy the darn thing with a part time job at B & N. That's part of the reason some people get them, after all - I'll never be able to afford a 6 figure car, so I'll get the same kicks on two wheels for a fraction of the cost.
I guess it's like crack...
